
Welcome to the Management as a Liberal Art Podcast
An ongoing exploration of Peter Drucker's vision of a functioning society based on human dignity in life, work, and community. In these episodes, we will aim to expand the knowledge and practice of Drucker's concepts through ongoing dialog with leading thought leaders.
Season 01 - Episode 01
Introduction to MLA
This inaugural episode introduces the idea of Management as a Liberal Art. We discuss the origins and history of Peter Drucker's theory of a Functioning Society of Institutions, and how MLA came about from that theory. The episode provides a brief example of MLA using one of Drucker's writings from the 1950s. Finally, this episode previews topics for future episodes, and gives listeners some ideas for how they might begin to think about applying MLA to their own work or organizations.
Season 01 - Episode 02
Freedom: What does that mean?
This episode explores the concept of freedom and how Americans have defined it in different ways. How do people's different interpretations present problems for organizations and leaders? We discuss Peter Drucker's definition of freedom and how that definition might be helpful for navigating contemporary discussions within organizations and society.
Season 01 - Episode 03
The Great Resignation and MLA
This episode explores the current shift in the job market known as the Great Resignation. We discuss how MLA can help us understand what is happening with this restructuring, and evaluate what are short-term and long-term trends. How does this event reflect Drucker's idea of the balance between the needs of the individual and the organization? What is happening with "knowledge work" and its transportability? How can we work effectively in teams in our new remote world? This episode is devoted to putting MLA in action with respect to human resources and how we work in this new post-pandemic environment.
Season 01 - Episode 04
Interview with Bruce Rosenstein
Interview with Bruce Rosenstein, Managing Editor of Leader to Leader, a publication of the Frances Hesselbein Leadership Forum and author of Create Your Future the Peter Drucker Way (2013). Bruce shares his knowledge of MLA and why it is so crucial for today's leaders. We also discuss lessons leaders have learned from the pandemic, and some of the top concerns facing leaders now.
Season 01 - Episode 05
Interview with Francisco Suarez
Interview with Francisco Suarez, CEO of AdeS for Latin America. Francisco discusses his background and his views of how MLA can be applied in large companies. He also reflects on his work with the World Environment Center and how sustainability relates to MLA.
Season 01 - Episode 06
Interview with Rick Wartzman
Interview with Rick Wartzman, Head of the KH Moon Center for a Functioning Society at the Drucker Institute, Claremont Graduate University. Rick talks about his background and writing and how it relates to MLA. He also reflects on the future direction of work and how the application of MLA can make for a better world.
Season 01 - Episode 07
Interview with Gene Coughlin
Interview with Gene Coughlin, Founder/CEO at the Resilience-Building Leader Program (RBLP). Gene talks about his background and his work with RBLP and how it relates to MLA. He also speaks on how RBLP partners with colleges, universities, leadership coaches, training companies, and career schools to build a worldwide community of practice committed to the idea of building resilient teams.
Season 01 - Episode 08
Leadership Lessons From Horses
What leadership lessons can we learn from horses? There are surprising parallels between Drucker's concepts of MLA and the horse world.
Season 01 - Episode 09
Interview with William Cohen
Interview with Dr. William Cohen. In this episode, Dr. Cohen speaks about MLA and in particular the idea of Applied MLA (AMLA) and how AMLA can be used as a framework for leaders in all lines of work.
Season 01 - Episode 10
The Arts and Leadership
A discussion of the leadership qualities provided by training in or exposure to the visual and performing arts. The link between the arts and leadership is a clear illustration of Management as a Liberal Art in action.
Season 01 - Episode 11
Interview with Byron Ramirez
An interview with Byron Ramirez, Researcher with Management as a Liberal Art Research Institute. Byron discusses his piece on managing for results while involving your people. How can organizations cope with rapid change in today's environment and retain, lead, and inspire people to perform?
Season 01 - Episode 12
Interview with Dr. Bradley Gilbert
A discussion with Dr. Bradley Gilbert, former Director of the California Department of Health Care Services who helped lead the state through its initial response to the COVID-19 pandemic. Dr. Gilbert also headed the Inland Empire Health Plan, one of the top ten largest Medicaid Managed Care plans in the nation. We discuss challenges of making decisions with limited to no data or information, creating a successful team culture amid organizational change and growth, and ideas for managing public health and other large-scale social problems.
Season 01 - Episode 13
Interview with Mike Cortrite Part I
Mike Cortrite served 30 years on the Santa Monica Police force, managing the field training program and developing training in ethics and cultural diversity. Mike shares his thoughts on why the response to the Uvalde school shooting was so ineffective.
Season 01 - Episode 15
The MLA Research Institute Discusses the Dichotomy of Management and Leadership
Join the members of the MLA Research Institute as they discuss the dichotomy of management and leadership.
Season 01 - Episode 16
Do Words Matter?
A discussion of Peter Drucker's thoughts on Communication. What does effective communication look like? How can Drucker's ideas help us be more effective communicators in the 21st century?
Season 01 - Episode 17
New Concerns of Knowledge Workers
A discussion of the recently averted 2022 railroad workers' strike in the context of the 1877 Great Railroad Strike. What do both events have in common? How is the more recent threatened labor action different from the historical event? What do these events tell us about the concerns of knowledge workers today?
Season 01 - Episode 18
MLA: Defining Management as a Liberal Art
A discussion of the definition of MLA. The members of the MLA Research Institute will argue that successful and durable organizations support self-development and moral growth in their people. An organization is the means through which an individual, as a member of the community, finds both contribution and achievement. The philosophy of ‘management as a liberal art’ (MLA) suggests that managers must seek knowledge and nurture an organizational environment where its members find meaning and opportunities to learn and contribute.
Season 01 - Episode 19
The ESOP Model and Drucker's Management as a Liberal Art: An Interview with Dr. James Dorsett
James Dorsett discusses his research on Employee Stock Ownership plans and how they model Drucker's principles. Dr. Dorsett shares his own personal experience with participating in an ESOP and how such plans can contribute to productivity and performance as well as employee satisfaction.
Season 01 - Episode 20
What's New about Quiet Quitting (and What's Not): An Interview with Dr. Rick Johnson
Rick Johnson discusses his article on "Quiet Quitting," noting that while the 2022 phenomenon was treated as a fad, it was, in fact, not particularly new. Dr. Johnson looks at "quiet quitting" from the perspective of new economic theory, research on "good" and "bad" bosses, and Gallup's reports on the "State of the American Workplace" to show how leaders can solve the underlying sources of the phenomenon.
Season 01 - Episode 21
Collaboration in the Workplace
This podcast includes a discussion of how organizations can maximize the possibilities for effective collaboration and create teams that work well together. It includes a consideration of collaborative use of AI technology, and the importance of respectful human relations.
Season 02 - Episode 1
Discussion with Immigration Attorney Kim Alabasi
Kim Alabasi brings valuable experience as a licensed independent social worker and teacher in Mexico to her immigration law practice. She has practiced in the area of Immigration since 2004. In this episode, she discusses current immigration issues and its application to a functioning society.
Season 02 - Episode 2
The Intersection of Leadership and Coaching
This is a discussion with Michael D. Cortrite, Ph.D. and Byron Ramirez, Ph.D. of the Management as a Liberal Art Research Institute regarding their recent publication. How do leadership and coaching principles and practices help entrepreneurs, as well as organizational leaders, thrive as individuals and professionals? What specific skills can both leaders and coaches develop to become more effective?
Season 02 - Episode 3
The New Landscape for Entrepreneurial Innovation
Byron Ramirez discusses the role of the entrepreneur as a collaborator and innovator. Innovation is seen as an important social process that involves not only for-profit entities, but also all kinds of organizations. In today's society where more and more people are engaging in entrepreneurial activity, leaders of all kinds need to understand the process of innovation and its importance for every institution.
Season 02 - Episode 4
Roundtable Tribute to Dr. William Alan Cohen
A formal tribute to Dr. William A. Cohen who had a distinguished record of military service and a profound impact on increasing society's awareness of Peter Drucker.
Season 02 - Episode 5
Peter Drucker and Management: The Practice of Management
Byron Ramirez interviews Karen Linkletter, author of the new book Peter Drucker and Management on the subject of her chapter on The Practice of Management
Season 02 - Episode 6
Peter Drucker and Management: Drucker and Effective Leadership
Byron Ramirez interviews author Karen Linkletter about her new book, Peter Drucker on Management, specifically its chapter on Drucker on Leadership.
Season 02 - Episode 7
Peter Drucker and Management: Drucker and the Knowledge Society
Byron Ramirez interviews author Karen Linkletter about her new book, Peter Drucker and Management, specifically about the chapter on Drucker's work on knowledge work and the knowledge society.
Season 02 - Episode 8
What Can Organizations Do to Attract and Retain Generation Z? A Conversation with Will Peterson
A discussion with researcher Will Peterson in understanding what organizations can do to create a motivating and engaging workplace to retain Generation Z.
Season 02 - Episode 9
Workplace Deviance Behaviors: A Conversation with Molly McGuire
A conversation with Molly McGuire examining if perceptions of social isolation in in-person workplace contexts impact engagement in behaviors which harm the organization and its members.
Season 02 - Episode 10
Leadership in the Military and in Life: An Interview with Rob Kirkland
Byron Ramirez conducts an interview with Rob Kirkland, a retired Army Lieutenant Colonel and historian, who offers insights into his experiences in leadership, character development, and management. He reflects on his career from West Point and military service to academic roles, sharing valuable lessons on integrity, respect, and lifelong learning in leadership.
Season 02 - Episode 11
The X-Factor of C-Suite Executives: An Interview with Sheila Tan
An interview with Sheila Tan discussing patterns in C-level executives that may be key to their effectiveness and leadership.
Season 02 - Episode 12
Neal Tyler on Police Leadership
In this episode Tyler Neal reveals the essence of effective police leadership, i.e. caring about people having a long and fulfilling career by dedicating themselves to trusting relationships, respect, and doing the right thing. And leaders in other fields will find that many of these ideas apply to their chosen work.